By: Geneva_Queen on 12/11/09
What a tragedy. You would think Troys family and friends would have worked together with him to get him the treatment he needed. One simple phone call to the police to report his drug usage would have done the trick. He would have relocated and found new friends who would support his recovery.

Too bad people don't see tragedy in the making and stand back and do nothing.

By: Dallas on 12/11/09
GQ, give it up.

By: Racer on 12/11/09
GQ, It all sounds easy from the outside. It isn't always that simple.

By: alittlebitofsugar on 12/11/09
A true master of 20/20 hindsight is in our midsts.. A hateful, mean spirited post.

By: Indy on 12/11/09
GQ - Have you had anybody with an addiction in YOUR family?? Did you try to help? My guess is that you have no idea what its like to try to help someone get treatment. You act like its a magical process and treatment works "just like that". Why don't you do everyone a favor and keep your mouth shut if all your going to do is TRY to prove your point. No one cares! Your cruel and hateful. Go away!!!!!

By: Indy on 12/11/09
You have proved to everyone how cold of a person you are on your postings from yesterday's article!

By: FarmGirl on 12/11/09
I've been reading the comments on this trial and have a comment myself.

GQ you sure have some hurtful comments. I am a member of Troy's family and for you to sit there and say that his family did nothing you are wrong. You obviously know nothing of his personal life. He had his share of demons and made his share of mistakes but for you to sit there and judge him is wrong.

There have been many times that we have stepped in to help him. You can't help someone if they don't want help.

His whole family is hurting and for you to attack us is wrong also.

Ultimately, no one deserves to die the truly brutal way Troy died.

RIP Troy!! Your family loves you!!

By: Indy on 12/11/09
I knew Troy well and still am very close to his family. You disgust me by saying the things you have when you didn't even know him!

By: Indy on 12/11/09
My last comment was directed to GQ

By: Mindyourpeace on 12/11/09
Well my thought is if GQ knows so much about his drug use, she must have been using with him, too. I hope you get help GQ.

By: creegers on 12/11/09
GQ, don't believe in GOD! or much else!! from the feedback your recieving. Maybe we could all chip in and get you a ticket to Iraq

By: CUP55060 on 12/11/09
You know genevagirl you don't have a clue do you. Do you know when the blood tests came back rumor has it there wasn't a trace of either drugs or alcohol in his system. I hope you rot in h.e. double hockey sticks, for your comments. I wish you would show your face you coward so i could tell you what i really think of you. This one armed man was brutally murdered by two, not one but, two people with two arms and weapons, and all you can worry about is if he was on drugs or not. Are you reading the same article has everybody else. This isn't a drug related case it's a murder trial, you D.A.

By: Indy on 12/11/09
I agree with you CUP55060. And I, too, don't understand why this "G.Q." idiot is so focused on whether or not there were drugs involved! I am close to the family and am furious at the remarks she has been making...

By: I-am-who-I-am on 12/11/09
I agree with both of you indy and cup55060 and i'm thinkin you both no who i am. I'm his nephew M.T. and when the time comes that they get what they deserve then what is she going to have to say ? Probably that they were wrongfully accused.

By: I-am-who-I-am on 12/11/09
Or that were still suppose to feel sorry for the family members of the ortegas ? fat chance in hell that's going to happen.

By: jrs on 12/11/09
GQ...through all your statements why havent you questioned the Ortegas families? If Troys family did little to help him where was the Ortegas family to stop their drug use/dealing. And how about the fact about this being a father and son. Talk about poor parenting. I suppose in thinking he brought this upon himself one would believe a woman flirting with a man all night and accepting his free drinks "leading him on" and at the end of the night declines going home w him deserves his rape. I mean she chose to give him the wrong impression. Life style or not it is against the law to murder. No one has the right to take another life. No matter the life their taking.

By: opinion_reader on 12/11/09
Geneva-Queen.. You stated in yesterdays opinion "I knew of Troy Ulrich. Seen him at parties, seen his wild lifestyle. Don't even try to pass him off as anything but reckless." You also stated "I said I knew OF him. He wasn't anyone I associated with. Which means he was NOT a friend. I hung out with others that did know him which is how I came to see him in action on several occasions." If you are so perfect and wonderfull and worry about your Childeren being around other people like that, then WHY were you at these parites where you saw his wild lifestyle? Also you hung out with others that did know him? Hmmmmmm do those friends that did know him also do drugs etc? and if so, you have no where to talk about him like you do/did. Because you yourself hang out and party with people like him. So maybe before you state your opinions you better look in the mirror and think twice about what you are saying.... Because Lady you have no right to say those things, if you go to the same parties he had went to. Like others have stated in these posts this article was or is about the murder of this man, not a article about his personal lifestlye.

By: Geneva_Queen on 12/11/09
opinion_reader:
You didn't even READ what you copy/pasted. It said I was there with friends that knew Ulrich. They invited me along, that's why I was there. Also, before you jump to conclusions, I don't drink or do drugs. My friends, who I was with, drink and asked me to be their driver. What about the rest of you? Where was your designated driver? I watched SEVERAL others leave the party drunk and driving themselves home.

This article may be about murder, but, as I've posted before, if it wasn't for a drug-using lifestyle, none of this would have happened.

Also, I never said I was perfect, and never said my sh** don't stink.

The people you all associate with are a mothers worst nightmare. Endanger the highways, endanger children with drugs, and the list goes on.

....and to the person who thinks my life is boring without taking a risk? Getting wild? Drugs and drunk driving are not risks, they're fine examples of stupidity.

By: I-am-who-I-am on 12/11/09
No GQ you might not have said it but you sure act like it.

By: Geneva_Queen on 12/11/09
Act like it? Not exactly. Myself being born and raised in Geneva, and reside in Owatonna, I keep my ears open and KNOW what goes on around this city. For example, remember 12+ years ago when Troy Ulrichs nephew rolled a SUV with teenagers hanging out the window and killed one of them? I think the poor girl was about 15, Melissa M. was her name. Reckless, I say.

Don't assume I don't know who's who, and who does what, and who's related to whom. I know more than you think I do, and I have more resources than you. I may not know everything, but I can sure find out.

By: I-am-who-I-am on 12/11/09
GQ sounds like u may know this family alittle to well and maybe have some personal issues with them.If u do maybe this is not the time or place to give your opinion. Let troys family remember him as they want if he made no personal attack on you then why do u make one on him.Everyone can have an opinion we all know that all to well but for the sake of troys children who can read these posts let them remember their dad as a good guy.

By: pettyfan on 12/11/09
I do not know this family, but a man died. Let him rest in peace. And what does his nephew have to do with anything. Just stop. Please.

By: quinn on 12/11/09
GQ, guessing by some of your previous posts you have some of your own demons to lay to rest. You constantly baiting someone to post in retaliation is not going to do it.

By: Indy on 12/11/09
Geneva_Queen - By the sound of your last post, sounds like you should be calling yourself "Gossip Queen". Sounds to me like you only have hearsay to base your judgments on. And why do you keep bringing up everything else except what this article is all about in the first place??

I suppose you have ALL of the details from this accident too. But is it what you HEARD happened but what REALLY happened. Your even "in the know" of things that are none of your business. People like yourself do nothing but create trouble for everyone else around them. A word of advice, try getting a life of your own. Its great!

By: oldschool1 on 12/12/09
Geneva_gossip do us all a favor,get off your little soapbox and go back to your June Cleaver life and give this a rest. Nobody cares what you have to say it's not worth reading anymore.Your comment's are just spiteful and worthless.Stop throwing fuel into the fire because you might get burned.

By: opinion_reader on 12/12/09
Geneva_Queen I did read and understand what I copy/pasted as you say. If you are as good a mother as you say you are, you wouldn't have been at those parties at all, even if you were a designated driver for your friends. You could have picked them up after the party was over, being the good person you are. If you are so dead set against drugs etc, then why do you have friends that go to these parties? As you said they are/were the ones that drink, and you know that alchol is a drug. Maybe you should step back and get off your soap box and try and help your friends, like you told Troy's family to do.

By: kukuthi on 12/12/09
Two families are losing in this situation but to attack someones lifestyle when that person is no longer alive is not right it is just plain rude. People should just keep their mouths shut and mind their own business. If you have nothing better to do then bash on a person who is deceased maybe you should find a new hobby or something better to do or research your information better instead of going by hear say. All my prayers to both families and I will also pray for the "Basher" as well she definitely needs some prayers too.

By: Geneva_Queen on 12/12/09
opinion_reader:
"you know that alchol is a drug"

...at least it's a legal one campared to illegal street drugs. I choose to do neither.

"you wouldn't have been at those parties at all"

....I was not aware what the other party enthusiasts would be like. I do attend parties and I don't drink at them. The only parties I go to are ones where people do RESPONSIBLE drinking. From time to time I end up at an unknown party where foolish people are. It just happens, no matter which parties you get invited to, there will be some you regret attending.

I'm not a goody-goody as you try to portray me. I do get wild, but not stupid. Life is a gift and I won't risk losing it.

....and to the person who said I should mind my own business. I usually do, but when people are reckless and a hazzard to me and my teenage children, THEN IT IS MY BUSINESS!

By: Geneva_Queen on 12/12/09
kukuthi:
"find a new hobby or something better to do or research your information better instead of going by hear say"

I do research my information. Most of it is public information at the court house.

By: ridiculous on 12/12/09
Geneva, Geneva, Geneva!! You are right, are you happy now? You're right, Troy was in the wrong place at the wrong time due to HIS choices. Now let me tell you something, Troy was an amazing man, he was an addict, just as if someone had cancer, it is an illness, the most dangerous and self destructive illness someone could have. People struggle with addictions everyday, everyone has demons in there closets. Sometimes, just like with terminal cancer, there is just NOTHING you can do to help someone! Addiction is a scary scary disease, I THANKFULLY, God willing, have managed my sobriety for going on 5 years now and it was the HARDEST thing I'll ever in my life have to do! Everyone has there reasons for experimenting and everyone has there genetic make ups for addictions. Now about your teenagers, do you think my Dad said, "GOSH I can't WAIT for my daughter to grow up and be a drug addict so I can go through hell and back and back to hell again with her!" NO he didn't, he would've been saying the same things you are, but you know what unless you walk in someones shoes you cannot say anything. I feel that you're the parent that is sitting back saying, "Aw, my kids would NEVER do that!" Let me tell you something, your kids ARE the ones doing that, RIGHT UNDER YOUR NOSE! And about the Ortegas, their kids can still see them, every week actually!! They'll be just fine! And maybe they're better off without their fathers!! I guess I wouldn't want someone teaching my children that BRUTALLY mudering someone is the 'right' thing!! You make me sick!

By: Indy on 12/12/09
GQ - YOU are portraying YOURSELF as a "Miss Goody Goody" with all of your comments! Everyone on here CAN read. You always have an excuse for yourself...

Regarding your comment "I was not aware what the other party enthusiasts would be like" Obviously you don't know your friends well enough to know what kind of parties attend. If it were me, I wouldn't be going to a party unless I knew what to expect. One would think you know what the parties were like since your so "in the know" about everything?"

Why don't you just give it up and quit posting things because as far as I can tell, nobody wants to hear from you anymore anyway! Your very rude and its unfortunate that you don't realize Troy's kids probably read all of these comments.

How would you feel if your kids were reading comments like yours regarding someone they loved?? And don't tell me that its different because its not. Your hurting his family, INCLUDING HIS CHILDREN. Its sad that you don't care enough to stop your rudeness!

By: Indy on 12/12/09
Ridiculous - That was WELL SAID! And congratulations to you and your sobriety!! :)

By: justamom on 12/12/09
There have been a lot of uninformed comments expressed on the news articles pertaining to this murder trial. There are a lot of people that believe they knew Troy, his situation, his lifestyle, his drug abuse, the details of the murder, etc. However, the one thing that people are failing to remember is the life that was lost that night. The fact is that this man – regardless of how people will remember him in life – was murdered for no apparent reason. His life ended that night and instead of informing the authorities he was discarded like a piece of trash. I don’t care what kind of a person you are – NO ONE should be treated like garbage. I pray that justice is served for ALL of those involved in Troy’s murder. I hope that the family is able to remember him in the good times and find peace with this.

By: opinion_reader on 12/12/09
Geneva_Queen You stated "The only parties I go to are ones where people do RESPONSIBLE drinking. From time to time I end up at an unknown party where foolish people are. It just happens, no matter which parties you get invited to, there will be some you regret attending." It sounds to me that if you have or were at parties where Troy was these parties were not were people do RESPONSIBLE drinking and as for "...at least it's a legal one campared to illegal street drugs" its a drug of choice wether it is legal or not. You also said "I do get wild, but not stupid. Life is a gift and I won't risk losing it" and in the next breath you say "....and to the person who said I should mind my own business. I usually do, but when people are reckless and a hazzard to me and my teenage children, THEN IT IS MY BUSINESS! You are a good example to your children. Even though you do not drink or do drugs there is still people at some of these parties that you regret going to. So why go to any of the parties at all... Set a good example for your children.

By: OwatonnOT on 12/12/09
Can we all please feeding into Geneva Queen's ego? She (or he) is just trying to get a rise out of everyone, and it's working. Troy was a good-hearted man who had some life issues and worked very hard to overcome them, with the help of social agencies and a girlfriend to whom he meant the world. That he met up with some very bad people who took advantage of his disability is the issue here. Why were these two "men" living in Claremont and causing trouble? I am sure they were living on our dime and worthless members of a society which did not ask them to join it. Put them away for life as a sign to other illegals that we will not tolerate their cold-blooded behavior in our country. P.S. I am very proud of this idiot's ex-girlfriend for testifying against him. She deserves our support.